Part Two: A Short Technical Comparison

SB Willie Movie Splash Screen

The example of Steamboat Willie will continue to serve our exploration of some other methods of charting which have interested me.   This blog posting will be short and in a day or so I’ll move on to more interesting issues.  Cyril Fagan introduced the Sidereal Solar Quotidian in his Primer of Sidereal Astrology.  I had tried the SQ, as he referred to this method, a few times and was not impressed by it’s conceptual basis or the results I got from a single trial usage. Recently, while talking with an associate, it was suggested that Solar Returns might be able to be advanced using Diurnal charting methods.  As it turns out, they can.  And then it occurred to me that this method was merely duplicating Fagan’s SQ method.  So, in this posting I will compare both methods-charts using the date Steamboat Willie was actually released to the theaters.

Photo Walt himselfThe Solar Quotidian advances the Sidereal (or in this example, the precession-corrected Tropical) Solar Return by a value that represents the Mean Sun’s daily movement applied to the number of days to an event following the Solar Return date.  In essence, this moves the Sun and MC 360 degrees in 365 days, more or less.

Those who follow my work know that I have promulgated the MC-Solar Cycle which is embedded in Fagan’s SR and PSSR methodology but which has not been recognized to any degree by Sidereal Astrologers.  Sidereal or precession-corrected Tropical Solar Returns can be advanced such that the MC moves some 450 degrees in 365 days, smoothly connecting the MC of one Solar Return to the MC position of the following Solar Return.  The SQ method jumps the MC of the prior year’s Solar Return advanced position 90 degrees in one day to match up with the next year’s Solar Return MC position.  For cyclic charting, this factor can be seen as ‘discontinuous’; something that cannot be part of a cyclic chart.

However, the purpose of this posting is to merely compare a SQ advanced chart for Walt Disney on May 27, 1933 with a p.c. Solar Return which has been Diurnally Advanced to the same date.  Walt was pleased with the pre-screening event held earlier and felt much more relaxed and excited over the anticipated reception of Steamboat Willie to the theaters.

Walt SQ 5-27-1933-JThis chart, calculated using RIYAL is the SQ for Walt Disney on May 27th, 1933 based on his SR chart for 1932.  Note, for later comparison, the MC position of 26:54 Leo.  This chart shows t/Uranus on the IC angle; great excitement relative to an individual effort.  t/Moon on the Desc. angle, indicating the public response.  And, we see n/Mars on the Asc. angle which suggests a personal effort had been behind the events of this day.

The t/Moon-opp-n/Mars pattern is mirrored by the n/Moon-square-t/Mars, a sort of ‘doubling up” which can also be seen as a T-square pattern in this case.

A supportive condition might be seen as te broad opposition of t/Sun to n/Sun, with n/Sun conjoining n/Uranus, repeating the focus of t/Uranus at the IC angle.

DisneyWaltDiurnalSRfor5-27-1933This chart is the precession-corrected Tropical Solar Return for 1932 in which the angles have been advanced Diurnally.  I’ll repeat prior explanations of how a Diurnal chart is created.  “One takes a natal chart, retains the chart’s time, and changes the date to the current date or a date one wants to examine. The angles will proportionally advance 360/365.25 to reflect the new chart positioning.  The Sun will remain in the same general area-house position as in the root chart.”

If one does this to a Solar Return and combines it with a transiting chart (so as to compare natal positions and transiting planet positions within a re-oriented house/angle structure, the chart at the left results.

Note the 26:30 Leo MC which agrees closely with the RIYAL SQ chart.  That chart uses the Mean Sun position and probably is set up to differently apply Delta Time and other small factors, accounting for the very small difference in degree positions between these two charts.

For practical purposes, these two charting methods result in identical results due to the application of similar calculations.

The use of Diurnally Advanced Solar Returns or p.c. tropical Solar Returns is a simple technique that any of my readers can test and use for their own charts.  Please let me know how it works out for you.  Dave.




About dadsnook

Dave has been exploring cyclic astrology since the mid-1970's. CYCLIC astrology utilizes both Return charts and planetary-pair cycles for short-term prediction. These practices and four years of archived material are available for study or reading at A new book, Personal Prediction ISBN 978-9-615-63033-5, has been published and the MC-Solar Cycle technique is now supported through a recognized software provider so that all students and practicing astrologers can apply these techniques for their own use. Recently, Dave has been exploring a new charting format:, transiting Moon to natal Sun Return charts. These moon-sun returns show how see seek to maintain or deal with change in our lives. A book is expected to be released in 2015. Contact Dave for details at Dave is a retired business systems analyst and automation systems engineer, enjoys woodcarving and tarot in addition to astrology.
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